13 year old mixed breed with arthritis - what can ease the pain?

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2008-08-25 17:11:04 UTC

HOWEDY funky foots you pathetic miserable stinkin lyin
rotten animal abusin punk thug coward active accute chronic
life long incurable malignant maliciHOWES mental case,

Upon the vet's advice we started her on Adequan injections to ease her
pain and help delay additional damage. The loading dose was two shots
per week for a month, then once per month. We give her the shots at
home. Adequan is given subcutaneously - no big deal. The vet sent her
prescription to an online pharmacy, we pay by credit card and they mail
us the drug and the syringes. Saves time, money and stress on the dog.

We didn't use loading doses on either dog - our vet pointed to studies
that suggested they didn't make a difference. FWIW.

CuriHOWES, ain't it, HOWE your veterinary malpracticioner
didn't advise you abHOWET non pharmacutical CURES for
so called arthritis?

And our vet gave the shots IM. She offered to teach me, but
I didn't want to mess with that, especially in a Chihuahua.

Of curse you wouldn't WANT to HURT your doggy, funky foots <{}: ~) >

I figured, better to have Chile fear the vet than fear me.

Dogs ONLY fear the vet / treatments when IT is ABUSED
by MENTAL CASES like yourself, funky foots <{}: ~ ( >

FurPaw The plural of anecdote is not proof.

Right. PROOF is CASE HISTORY DATA <{}': ~ ) >

To reply, unleash the dog.

O.K. <{}: ~ ) >

HOWEDY funky foots you pathetic miserable stinkin lyin
rotten animal abusin punk thug coward active accute chronic
life long incurable malignant maliciHOWES mental case,

Oppie goes in Monday to have his left eye removed.

Ain't Oppie your dog who suffered laryngeal paralysis
from bein jerked an choked, funky foots?:

"I'm out more than $5,000 in the past year because I
have one dog who developed a heart condition and
another one who required surgery for laryngeal paralysis
and went blind in one eye, reason unknown; in addition
to the surgery, a lot of diagnostic tests were required for
each one."

BWEEEEAAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

The retina deteriorated more than a year and a half ago, with evidence of
retinal bleeds.

Yeah. That's CAUSED BY the SAME mechanisms as

<< From: "The Puppy Wizard" <<

BWEEEEHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!

Medicate yourself, wimp-limp-wizard. You'll feel MUCH better. Killfile
this guy and above all don't respond to him. Furpaw

furpaw:
(SSRI, cognitive therapy)
otherwise, a fairly boring
and nondescript crazy person

Last week it suddenly became inflamed, cloudy, and you
could see through the cornea that another bleed had taken place. And
there was sudden onset glaucoma.

Yeah. That's CAUSED BY jerkin an chokin your dog, funky foots.

Rather than treat it (except for treating the glaucoma up until the
surgery), we decided to have it removed.

That's kindly of you, funky foots <{}: ~ ) >

I'm a bit annoyed with the vet ophthalmologist that has seen him over the
past year and a half. When our local vet called him to discuss the
surgery, he told her that he wasn't surprised - that eye problems like
Oppie's sometimes do go south quickly.

Yeah. Vascular DIS-EASES HAPPEN when veterinary
malpracticioners FAIL to INFORM the DOG ABUSER
that EYE and BLOOD PRESSURE **increase** when
you're JERKING and CHOKING your dogs on pronged
spiked pinch choke and slip choke and limited slip choke
collars and shockin them.

I wish he'd told us that sooner, since there
was never any hope of recovering vision.

To CURE your dog's DIS-EASES you'd have to STOP
jerkin an chokin an shockin your dogs, funky foots.

We've been treating irritation in the eye off and on
for more than a year, and if we'd known that this outcome was possible,
we'd have had the eye taken out then.

Yeah. But your veterinary malpracticioner WOULDN'T TELL YOU that.

And annoyed with myself.

You mean kinda like HOWE you was when you
let your DEAD DOG eat a bag of POISON?

I could have posed that question to the ophthalmologist, and I didn't.

Yeah.

Because of his laryngeal tieback,

THAT'S CAUSED BY you jerkin an chokin him. JUST LIKE
HOWE the glaucoma and retina detachment are CAUSED.

he has a higher risk of AP with surgery, but our vets are
experienced with this and know what precautions to take.
So we're crossing our fingers...

Yeah. GOOD LUCK, funky foots <{}: ~ ( >

Poor boy. He's such a good patient.

Yeah. It's almost like a MunchHOWESEN By Proxy
Support Group here abHOWETS. HOWE many of
your DEAD an DEATHLY ILL dogs are DYIN from
STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASES
a.k.a. The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome <{}: ~ ( >

When our vet was taking his BP on Thursday, he was shaking a little, but
he just laid quietly with us stroking him until we told him he could get
up.

Yeah.

CODDLING your dog like that INCREASES anXXXIHOWESNESS.

Same thing with the blood draw and all the eye testing (fluids, lights).

Yeah. Perhaps you shoulda gave IT a cookie?

Ooops~! That's coddling too <{}: ~ ( >

I think he will be a lot more comfortable after the eye heals.

Where's the PRESSURE gonna go after his eye is gone?

FurPaw

< snip>

For example, SSRIs, particularly Paxil, are used to treat
Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder, which is classified as an anxiety
disorder.
And they do have the 'side effect' of reducing anxiety.

Yes, I understand that, just as something like xanax does have a bit of an
anti depressive quality to it.

Then why did you say, "I'm curious as to the designation
of an SSRI as an 'anti-anxiety' drug though."

Something like xanax or klonipen? I thought those were occasionally
used on dogs for 'short term' treatments for things such as behavior
modification? I also 'thought' they had fewer negative side-effects.

Depends on what you consider to be a negative side effect.
Both have their share.

Yes, they do. I was thinking along the lines of the more severe side
effects, something like tardive dyskinesia and liver metabolization as
opposed to the milder, dry mouth, nausea or abdominal distress, etc.

Tardive dyskinesia? The rate of this in humans is extremely low with
SSRIs, much, much lower than it is with antipsychotics, and in some
reports it's not clear that it wasn't a pre-existing condition or a result
of a combination of drugs.

Liver metabolization isn't a side effect - it's what the liver
does to drugs (and many other substances).

FurPaw

furpaw:
(SSRI, cognitive therapy)
otherwise, a fairly boring
and nondescript crazy person

Your own dogs have had EVERY STRESS INDUCED AUTO-
IMMUNE DIS-EASE a.k.a. The Puppy Wizards' Syndrome, in
creation. You coulda bought an paid for a full service commercial
kennel with the bucks you've WASTED on incompetent veterinary
malpractice care!

Take her to the vets and get her medication for the arthritis. They make
drugs specifically for dogs for arthritis. Just please don't give her
anything over the counter pain medications without clearing it with the
vet first.

electric shock spot is a lyin animal abusin mental case, like funky foots
Seems a few of the MENTAL CASES who HURT INTIMDIATE an
MURDER innocent defenseless dumb critters have fallen HOWETA
the spam filter <{}: ~ ( >

To OP - If you and your vet are certain that it's arthritis, ask your vet
about Adequan shots, which are given every 4-6 weeks. We used them
on two arthritic dogs, and they made a big difference in their mobility
after we started them.
I'd also suggest that you discuss the appropriate amount of exercise with
your vet. I would think that mild exercise (that she tolerates well)
would be better than none.
Also, make sure that her nails are kept trimmed short enough that they
don't click when she walks on a hard surface; if her nails are clicking
when she walks, they are pushing her toes back, and that will add to any
discomfort she might have from the arthritis.
FurPaw

Here's fur paw's own POSTED CASE HISTORY:

HOWEDY funky foots you pathetic miserable stinkin lyin
rotten animal abusin punk thug coward active accute chronic
life long incurable malignant maliciHOWES mental case,

4 hours to the minute (12:29, 4:29) later. only lasted about 15
seconds, and he recovered much more quickly. he's been whiney
ever since, but otherwise seems ok.
i'm sick to my stomach.
i don't like this at all.

I hope your vets can find an answer.
Dylan started having seizures a couple of years before she died;

Naaaah?

they were brought under control with phenobarbital.

Of curse. Seizures are caused by STRESS from abuse <{}: ~ ( >

Sending lots of good thoughts for Harv and you.

WHAAAAAHT, NO PREYERS?

FurPaw

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAA!!

Here's YOU MURDERIN your own DEAD HOWEskat:

From: FurPaw (***@comcast.net)
Subject: Re: OT:urk..cat poop
Newsgroups: alt.support.menopause
Date: 2002-07-03 16:23:10 PST

<snip>

yecchh! Now, why was he demanding
that YOU clean it up?

Once I had a housemate who acquired a
stray cat while I was on vacation. Before
I knew about the cat, when I walked into the
bedroom that we shared, I thought, "Damn,
Sarah must not have done laundry for WEEKS!"

Shortly after that, I spotted the cat.

Further investigation revealed that the damned
cat had been sh*tting in my SHOES. Not Sarah's
shoes. MINE.

Not too smart of that cat, particularly since I'm
allergic and he was treading on thin ice in that
domain already. He clinched it a couple of days
later when I was carrying him out of the bedroom
(now forbidden territory), and the dog (big white
Shepherd mix) came trotting around the corner.
Cat freaked, clawed and bit me.

Sorry, but that kitty had to go to the animal shelter
the next day. (I would have had the same reaction
if the dog had bit me.)

FurPaw
-
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA!!!

That's not the only critter you've murdered.

and you don't even have to use a clicker, just another sound, like
clucking your tongue, to immediately reward the behavior you want to see.

The clicker method relies on OFFERING and
WITHOWELDING BRIBES till the critter
throw MINDLESS MEANINGLESS UNTHINKING
behaviors to RELEASE the REWARD from the
human Skinner Box <{}: ~ ( >

IT FAILS 10% of the time GUARANTEED,
even when done by EXXXPERT clicker trainers.

ASK karen pryor, she MURDERED her own
DEAD KAT when she COULDN'T clicker
train IT not to shit an piss in her stove top.

Keep your training sessions short, follow them with play, and above all,
have fun with your puppy!

You're a IMBECILE.

http://www.clickertraining.com/

Oh, THAT'S karen pryor's website! You
might wanna ask gary wilcox of M.I.T.
HOWE COME he had to resort to DELAYED
PUNISHMENT when his clicker trainin FAILED?

AND you MIGHT wanna ASK HER HOWE COME
she MURDERED HER OWN DEAD KAT when
SHE COULDN'T TRAIN IT <{}'; ~ ) >

FurPaw

<< From: "The Puppy Wizard" <<

BWEEEEHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!

Medicate yourself, wimp-limp-wizard. You'll feel MUCH better. Killfile
this guy and above all don't respond to him. Furpaw

furpaw:
(SSRI, cognitive therapy)
otherwise, a fairly boring
and nondescript crazy person

His biggest thrill is getting a rise out of someone.

or, you know, controlling the amount of food the dog gets.
mushroom would gladly weigh 500 pounds if i'd let him. he's a boy who
loves his food.

We have two like that. Oppie, our yellow Lab, is an eating
machine. He defines the term, "food motivated."

THAT'S on accHOWENTA he's INSECURE.

Dogs have the same eatin disorders as people
for the same reasons.

And so is Chile, our chihuahua.

Naaaah?

When she was about 3, our GSD, Dylan, was going through
a finicky period.

Yeah. That was pryor to his POISON eatin stage.

Chile duly observed this, and one day when Dylan didn't eat her breakfast,
Chile did. We caught her just as she was licking
the last molecules out of Dylan's bowl. Despite the look of utter
bliss on her face, we thought she was going to explode!
Chile has since told me that that was the only time in her life
that she actually got enough to eat.
Despite their complaints and doleful, waif-like, edge-of-starvation
looks, we keep them where we can see the outlines of their ribs.

That's ABSURD.

FurPaw

Here's HOWE COME your dogs
are "FOOD MOTIVATED":

Subject: Re: Why does my Retriever push his nose around
his food dish-does a little dance with his head

Before and after eating my golden retriever pushes his food dishes with
his nose-around it- as if he is doing a little dance. Does anyone know
why this happens?? its really weird, it goes on for like 10-15 mins.. Any
suggestions???

If it bothers you, take the food dish up. Have the dog sit
and wait for release before eating. If the dog wants to play
with the bowl, take the bowl up. Wait a while and try again.

I'd suggest that if the dog continues,
the dog might miss a meal.

If you're concerned about the dog not eating,
put the dog is a sit-stay, put some kibble on
the floor and release the dog to eat.

The simple answer is, "don't let the dog do that."
The dog has trained itself (and you) that this is
an acceptable ritual. If it is not acceptable, train
the dog to behave differently.

Does the dog only do this at your house?
In the regular feeding room? With you?
--
http://4dsgn.com

Subject: GSD people

From: YourDoggysMomma @HushMail.Com
Date: Tues, Jul 19 2005 8:42 am

HOWEDY funky foots,

So what are GSDs really like and why is it that some of you have become
addicted to them?

Kinda like HOWE funky foot's DEAD DOG Dylan
GOT ADDICTED to SEALING and EATING POISON.

I've had one, Dylan. Where to begin?

Let's BEGIN with the day Dylan ATE POISON
and GOT DEAD on accHOWENT of you couldn't
train him NOT to STEAL STUFF and EAT POISON.

She had a mind of her own,

That so, funky foots?

was smart, loyal, demanding, funny.

AND DEAD.

She adored kids and put up with a lot of their pulling and tugging. She
was very gentle with our Chihuahuas and let them chase her. She
roughhoused with our Lab until both were exhausted. She was
an alpha,

BWEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHHAAA!!!

and it took a couple of years of training to persuade
her that she wasn't going to push me aside -

INDEED? Is THAT HOWE COME
she STOLE and ATE POISON?

but with maturity she became a wonderful companion.

You mean DESPITE DYIN at 9 years from EATIN
STUFF SHE STOLE and of curse, overcoming multiple CANCERS?

--
"Don't believe everything that you think." - Seen on a bumper sticker To
reply, unleash the dog

From: "The Amazing Puppy Wizard" <***@Yahoo.Com>
Date: 12 Feb 2005 13:18:27 -0800
Subject: Re: JE yadda yadda yadda

HOWEDY funky foots you ignorant cretin,

Thanks to dog lovers like you we got The Puppy
Wizard's SYNDROME where a "MILESTONE"
is a GSD livin till NINE YEARS OLD despite
his CANCERS and PHOBIAS and DEATHLY
STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASES.

Here's a few HAPPY posts from your
own miserable posted case history:

You're some kinda dog lover...

From: "Jerry Howe" <***@bellsouth.net>
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 10:47:16 -0500
Subject: Re: White German Sheperd Problems

Hello furpaw,

Im not sure where I failed, we have gone to training, and have tried
for

This sounds all too familiar.

You mean you got the same problem, and are
willing to share what you've done to continue
the problem or changed your lifestyle to cope
with it.

I second the training recommendation.

Of course! That's what helped you out sooo
much with your own problem dog. Or more
correctly, that's what CAUSED your problem
dog.

And would add, give him a lot of exercise!

Yes, use excessive exercise to control out of
control behaviors cause you don't have effective
training methods.

Your description fits our girl Dylan (not white, BTW) to a T.

Very interesting. White GSD's often have a
"genetic component" to their hyperactive behavior.

We trained and trained and trained... several trainers, methods, lots of
time spent with her.

Yes, an excellent idea, furpaw. Tell us HOWE you
were taught to jerk and choke and confine and
intimidate and excessively exercise your dog every
day for years, to FORCE IT to do as you make IT.

Some may say that the methods weren't effective or applied properly.

Wel, let's just DISCUSS what you did, and EVEN
YOU will be able to see and understand the insanity
of your so called training methods that caused the
problems you've dealt with UNSUCCESSFULLY.

Could be - we were novices

No. Could be you relied on DISINFORMATION
from our lying dog abusing Thugs.

That's what COULD BE.

when it came to training a very dominant dog.

What DOMINANT? That's BULLSHIT. Dogs don't
have DOMINANCE issues unelss someone is
PROVOKING them. And then it's not dominance,
it's FEAR.

We kept looking for nonpunitive methods that would
get her under control.

BWWWAHAHAHAAA!!! You didn't FIND any, did you.

Convincing her that she was NOT Alpha took a lot of work.

Yes, because you fought with, choked,
crated and intimidated her.

By the time she was about three, she had turned into a real sweetheart.

There ya go! And your trainers TOLD you it might
take three years, instead of three days as in my methods.

Getting a second big dog (male, nondominant, extremely playful) as a
companion and playmate no doubt contributed.

Because your training methods DIDN'T help.

Maturation no doubt contributed.

BECAUSE YOUR "TRAINING" METHODS DIDN'T WORK.

And training certainly contributed, even though the results
weren't always immediately obvious.

Ohhh, you said a mouthful. Using the lousy methods
you used caused other seemingly non related behavior
problems that you and your so called trainers aren't
bright enough to trace to the vicious methods you used,
RESULTING IN The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.

FurPaw

What a DISMAL success story. GOOD LUCK.

From: FurPaw (***@comcast.net)
Subject: Re: dog ripping up cushion

Date: 2003-05-16 07:58:16 PST

Clearly punishing your dog isn't working. And probably
never will. So I'd suggest you try a different tactic. You
don't have to yell and hit in order to get your dog to behave
well. But you may have to be a little more creative.

You've gotten him afraid of you+cushion, but not afraid of
cushion. So remove the cushion, so that the temptation is
no longer there, until you can get other aspects of his behavior
working with you.

Does he have "interesting" toys to keep him occupied, like a
Kong stuffed with peanut butter, or a Hava-Ball filled with
treats for him to extract?

If your dog is only "good" when you're "not his friend"
it sound like you've managed to teach him to be afraid
of you.

If he's peeing when you're shouting, he's afraid of you.

That's submissive peeing.

Is that the relationship you want with your dog?

How much time do you spend together? How much
exercise do you give him? How many hours a day is
he alone? It sounds to me like he may be bored;
our GSD was pretty destructive at that age until we
rearranged our schedule and spent more time playing
and exercising her.

Have you tried obedience training? Did you take your
dog to any classes to train both you and the dog?

Having an ongoing program of *positive* (no punishment)
training with your dog might go a long ways in improving
his behavior and your relationship with him.

There are a lot of good books on training your dog out
there. I used and like Brian Kilcommons' "Good Owners,
Great Dogs", but there are others that are more recent
and that emphasize clicker training.

I'm not a dog trainer, so others will be along with
more specific suggestions for you.

FurPaw

From: FurPaw (***@comcast.net)
Subject: Re: de-lurking with puppy questions
Date: 2003-07-19 13:33:18 PST

I've been reading here for a while (long enough to figure out the
resident troll anyway) and have a few questions about my puppy
I have an 7 month old Pomeranian puppy, adorable as all get out, but she
won't play.

<snip>

Hi, Karlee -

Looks like your thread got hijacked :-(

I don't have a lot to contribute, except to say that some dogs
don't seem to have the play drive that others do. My male
chihuahua, Gordo, played with his sister as a puppy, but
wouldn't playwith us, except to fetch.

He's very submissive, and even the most gentle
approaches to play got him cowering. He and his
sister still play now and then (at age 12), but only
if they think no one is watching them.

Weird. He does like to chew on rawhide, however.

Is your dog's regular food kibble or soft food?
If you could induce her to eat a bit of kibble,
maybe that would be a start on the teeth problem.

She sounds like a sweetie!

FurPaw

From: ***@aol.com (LDRS News Glo)
Date: 20 Sep 2004 02:05:17 GMT

Subject: Re: Boston Terrier "Humping"
<From: FurPaw

Killfile this guy and above all don't respond to him. His biggest thrill
is getting a rise out of someone.
FurPaw

Gotcha, thanks. I just banned him from emailing
me too. Sheesh. Why is it that every news group
has to have at least one troll? Is it in the contract?
LOL Gloria

From: ***@aol.com (LDRS News Glo)
Date: 19 Sep 2004 18:22:58 GMT
Subject: Re: Boston Terrier "Humping"

<< From: "Perry Templeton >>
<< But I would think the main thing would be,

especially in a male, neutered bs. not neutered.

I adopted JJ from Animal Care and Control, and he
was neutered about 3 weeks ago, a day before I got
him. I think that's part of the problem, he's still feeling
his "oats". It has tapered significantly around the house.
The problem now is taking him to the park. I hate it
when he starts humping the other dogs, especially the
small ones.

Most of the other dogs "tell him off", but he takes
it as a game and goes back. I'm sure it will stop
as he matures, I just thought someone would have
a suggestion for now when I take him to the park.

Thanks, Perry.

Gloria

From: flick <***@starband.net>
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:29:06 -0500
Subject: Re: Boston Terrier "Humping"

I adopted JJ from Animal Care and Control, and he was neutered
about 3 weeks ago, a day before I got him. I think that's part of the
problem, he's still feeling his "oats". It has tapered significantly
around the house. The problem now is taking him to the park.
I hate it when he starts humping the other dogs, especially the small
ones. Most of the other dogs "tell him off", but he takes it as a game and
goes back. I'm sure it will stop as he matures, I just thought someone
would have a suggestion for now when I take him to the park.
Thanks, Perry.

It can take a couple-three months for the hormones to
completely leave his system after neutering, is what I
understand.

flick 100785

Gloria

From: ***@aol.com (LDRS News Glo) -
Date: 21 Sep 2004 01:29:49 GMT
Subject: Re: Boston Terrier "Humping"

It can take a couple-three months for the hormones to completely
leave his system after neutering, is what I understand.

Unfortunately, I believe you are correct. LOL I'm
certainly going to stick with the little fellow. He's
very playful and very funny. I've had Boston Terriers
since I was 15 and they're sooo funny. Pugs are
funny also. I'm constantly being entertained by them.
Thank you for responding.
Gloria

From: FurPaw <***@comcast.net>
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 11:24:38 -0600
Subject: Re: Boston Terrier "Humping"

I wrote a few weeks ago about my problem with my new 10 month old Boston
Terrier, who is now 11 months. The problem was he was "humping" my two
Pugs. It's subsided a lot.
He does, however, still try to do it to dogs at the park. I have him on a
15 ft. lead, so I can monitor his behavior. Is there any trick to making
him stop this unacceptable behavior?
Again, he's MUCH better at home.
He gets a LOT more supervised time with the other Pugs and he's behaving
for longer periods of time.
The squirt bottle works wonders with him.
I can tell he's going to be a great dog. I've had 3 Bostons in the
past and I've never had this problem. JJ is larger than most Bostons,
he's 28 lbs and will probaby get a little bit bigger, he'll fill out. He's
handsome, he's extremely playful.
If he were the only dog in the house, he'd be a wonderful little guy. I
believe he's also trying to establish some "top dog" issues.
One good thing is none of them fight, they're all GREAT dogs. Two Pugs and
a Boston is a handful, but once JJ gets over this...um..."hump" he'll be
great.
Advice about the humping in the park would be much appreciated.
Thanks. Gloria

I wish I had the answer, Gloria! I have an 8 year
old yellow lab who was neutered at 9 months,
and he is still Mr. Hormones!

Yesterday in the park we met up with a gorgeous
reddish-brown and tan mixed female (part lab, weim?,
something with pricked ears?). She was spayed and
a year old.

After the obligatory sniffs, she started to try
to entice him to play and body-slammed him
a couple of times. He started to try to hump
the little flirt - and not just the sideways air
humps that he tries on our GSD - he was
grabbing her around the waist.

I yanked him off and put him in a sit - several times.
But this shameless little hussy kept backing up to
him with her tail in sideways position - an invitation
if I've ever seen one!

Luckily, his owner thought this was all hilarious...
but we sure don't know what to do about Mr.
Hormones' behavior!

FurPaw
--
"In a sense, we are hallucinating all the time.
What we call normal vision is our selecting the
hallucination that best fits reality."
- V. S. Ramachandran

To reply, unleash the dog

From: "The Puppy Wizard"
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 18:07:26 GMT
Subject: Re: Boston Terrier "Humping"

HOWEDY funky foots,

I wrote a few weeks ago about my problem with my new
10 month old Boston Terrier, who is now 11 months.

And she's wrtiting AGAIN for THE SAME PROBLEM.

The problem was he was "humping" my two Pugs.

The PROBLEM is LDRS is a IMBECILE.

<snip idiocy>

I wish I had the answer, Gloria!

You've NEVER had a "answer," funky foots.

IN FACT, your own dogs have had EVERY
behavior problem in creation.

I have an 8 year old yellow lab who was neutered at 9 months, and he is
still Mr. Hormones!

Your dog is HYPERACTIVE on accHOWENT
of you're a DOG ABUSER, funky foots.

Yesterday in the park we met up with a gorgeous reddish-brown and tan
mixed female (part lab, weim?, something with pricked ears?). She was
spayed and a year old. After the obligatory sniffs, she started to try to
entice him to play and body-slammed him a couple of times. He started to
try to hump the little flirt - and not just the sideways air humps that he
tries on our GSD - he was grabbing her around the waist. I yanked him off
and put him in a sit - several times.

Well THAT'S HOWE COME you can't TRAIN
your dog NOT to DO that, dog abuser.

But this shameless little hussy kept backing up to him with
her tail in sideways position - an invitation if I've ever seen one!

You've probably never had WON.

Luckily, his owner thought this was all hilarious... but we sure don't
know what to do about Mr. Hormones' behavior!

You're a MENTAL CASE, funky foots.

FurPaw

Subject: Re: 8 month old misbehaving
Date: 2004-04-08 18:35:59 PST

HOWEDY funky foots,

Doesn't it ever EMBARRASS you that your own
dogs have had EVERY behavior problem in
creation cause you don't have the intellect to
HOWEtwit the cunning of the domestic puppy dog?

Looking for more suggestions on how to appropriately correct
misbehaviors as well as moral support.

FWIW, our GSD, Dylan, was very destructive when she was a pup. When we
were out of the house we kept her confined in a pen in a small room, with
toys and chewies. One time when we came home
she proudly presented us with the pieces of carpet that she'd ripped up
(it was very old carpeting).
She was around ten months old. And one time we tried confining Oppie (Lab)
in the bathroom when we went out for a couple of hours.
We returned to a door that was deeply gouged with his claw marks.
He'd also tried to climb out the window (closed and locked) and bent up
the aluminum miniblinds.
Our mistake was that we hadn't adapted him to the bathroom.
Stupid Mommy Dog!
We took the tactic that other posters have suggested, that is, don't give
the dogs the opportunity to be destructive by confining them with
interesting toys and not much else.
Sometimes, despite your best efforts, they manage to destroy anyhow, but
mostly they'll sleep. The good news was that both dogs were out of their
destructive phase by the time they were about a year and a half old.
Good luck with yours... FurPaw

NHOWE WHO'S THE TROLL, funky foots?

BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!

Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory

2008-08-26 00:28:16 UTC

Permalink

HOWEDY mikey aka pat aka unsurreality aka trollbasher
aka BLACK VOMIT, you anonymHOWES pathetic miserable
stinkin lyin animal murderin child an spHOWES abusin punk
thug coward active acute chronic long term incurable mental
case and professional dog trainin FRAUD an SCAM ARTIST,

Post by Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory
CuriHOWES, ain't it, HOWE your veterinary malpracticioner
didn't advise you abHOWET non pharmacutical CURES for
so called arthritis?

The only thing CURIOUS is that you claim to be such
a wonderful dog trainer and yet no one responds to you.

Perhaps THAT'S on accHOWENTA ONLY *LIARS*
*DOG ABUSERS* *COWARDS* and *LIFE-LONG
INCURABLE MALIGNANT MALICIHOWES MENTAL
CASES* post their LIES IDIOCY INSANITY and ABUSE
here abHOWETS, eh, mikey??

THAT is CURIOUS.

No it AIN'T, mikey <{}: ~ ( >

How does that make you feel?

"FEELINS" ain't got NUTHIN to do with it, mikey <{}: ~ ) >

That no one cares what you say?

INDEED?

Oh, you mean the pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin
animal murderin MENTAL CASES, like yourself, mikey?

Here's just a FEW of 'em, startin with *you* mikey:

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is
A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth, author:
"CourteHOWES Canine."

"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?

When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time,
spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk
away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just
ignore him and continue your normal behavior."
--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"CourteHOWES Canines"

"Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather
choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him a
stern correction" --Janet Boss
http://tinyurl.com/5m6ppt

Or you could just SHOCK them.

LIKE THIS:

"J1Boss" <***@aol.com> wrote in message news:***@mb-m18.aol.com...

He was next to me and I could see his neck
muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
Janet Boss

Post by Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory

I can't imagine needing anything higher than a 5
with it, even with an insensitive dog like a Lab.

An INSENSITIVE DOG???

Post by Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory
I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.

Do you think the citronella collar is CRUEL
cause the SMELL LINGERS after the dog's
been sprayed in the face and the dog won't
know HOWE COME IT was MACED?

Post by Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory
My dogs are not human children wearing fur- they are
DOGS. I don't have anything against electronic bark
collars, but they should be used in conjunction with
actually working at training your dog(s).

They're DUMB ANIMALS these MENTALLY ILL LYING
DOG ABUSERS HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER.

-------------------

On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:44:14 -0500, Janet B
Since you quoted me repeatedly, where does it say
I beat dogs, choke dogs, scream at dogs, etc? Thanks
for your clarification.

responding to my own post, I had to go back and look
at the original post, to remind myself what "we" are all
accused of doing:

"screaming, choking,
shocking, pinching, beating
the living crap out of your dogs"

Scream? no
Choke? no
Shock? e-collars are a lot more sophisticated than that
Pinch? if you want to classify a momentary discomfort
by a prong collar, go ahead, but unless you have first
hand experience with one, your opinion means nothing

Beat the living crap out of? hardly - no hitting exists

Janet.

------------------

lying frosty dahl writes:
"Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a
helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less
tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking
them more sharply.
With your hand on the collar and ear, say, 'fetch.'

Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the
stick. Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to
the dummy.

Repeat, varying how hard you hit the dog,

Now you are ready to progress to what most
people think of as force-fetching: the ear pinch.

Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so urgent
that resisting your will fades in importance.

but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their
efforts to escaping the ear pinch

You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell
instead of your thumb;

even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that

Say "fetch" while pressing the dummy
against its lips and pinching its ear.

if the dog still does not open its mouth,
get out the shotshell.

Try pinching the ear between the metal casing
and the collar, even the buckle on the collar.

Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in"

--------------------

"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.

"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack
Wouldn't Have Done It If He Thought Solo Couldn't
Take It. I Still Crate Him Because Otherwise I Fear
He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.

captain arthur haggerty SEZ: "A CHIN CHUCK" Makes A
ResoundingSound Distraction: "When You Chuck The Dog
The Sound Will Travel Up The Mandible To The Ears And
Give A Popping Sound To The Dog."

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.

"Reliable Punishment Cycles, Different Thresholds To Pain
And Punishment, High Tolerance For Correction, Escalation
Of Correction To A Level Where The Dog Yelps When You
Punish Him, Thus Making The Experience One Which The
Dog Will Want To Avoid In The Future," grant teeboon, RAAF.

What does the "choke" in the "choke chain" stand for, then?
Lucy

one reason I call them slip collars. Their is a correction involved,
and while it causes momentary discomfort, does not choke the dog.
OTOH, it is CAPABLE fo being used to do that, should a situation
warrant it.
--
Janet B
--------------------

From: "Deltones" <***@hotmail.com>
Date: 2 Dec 2005 10:55:41 -0800
Subject: Re: In defense of Jerry Howe's methods

I'm still asking for 5 original posts from people here at least
5 years to support your initial contention (NOT HURTING
DOGS TO TRAIN THEM).

You're 0 for 2, so far.
That's 2 in 2 as far as I'm concerned but hey, if you insist. I'm
really curious to see what will be the justification this time. So
far we have:

Limited choking? Hey, it's limited, As
Neo would say: Woah, there is no choke.

Dogs pumped full of prozac? Hey, they're trippin
man. Remember Woodstock. Euh.... Woodwhat?

E-Collar? I'm sure some of you will come up with: But my
dog look so pretty with an electrified perm. Swoooon.

So on with the fun. Taken from the "Collars" thread,
started by Perry Templeton June 20 2005

Denis
------------

And here's another one from the same author, taken from the same thread:

167. Janet B
Jun 21, 12:03 pm show options
On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:40:11 +0100, "Alison"

I'm just wondering why you had to use choke chains to
"train"your dogs especially as they are so small.

Oh geez - let's see - how many JRTs act like alligators
at the end of a leash? I personally prefer prong collars.

----------------

Let's go for the hat trick with the same author, taken from the same thread:

141. Janet B
Jun 27, 10:01 pm

I don't use choke chains. Not quite true - I use a jeweler's hex link
on Franklin at times - it's puuuuuurty. I know the "sound" thing
and all, and when training a dog in a non-group setting, that sound
may be a factor, but I think it fails in the context of a group class.

So, I prefer the better fitting nylon slip collars, and very often,
pinch collars (small link unless it's a freaky dog, then they need
the milder medium link).

But I use e-collars too. With one of my dogs and with some clients.
For circumstances where a physical collar and leash is not the right
answer. I'm sure Lucy has no clue what THAT means!
--
Janet B
----------------

Here's janet's PARTNER who heelped nessa "train" her
fear aggressive hyperactive HOWETA CON-TROLL
PROBABLY DEAD dogs to DESTROY her HOWES
an TURN ON HER:

"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"

Post by Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory
What I have said- repeatedly - is that he took
posts from two different people,

Of curse THAT'S a lie.

Post by Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory
took pieces of them out of context,

Of curse. QUOTED. You wanna see it in context?

Post by Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory
cobbled them together,

No. There was WON DIRECT QUOTE.
"Neatly," and "Smartly."

Post by Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory
and a fake signature.

"sinofabitch" instead of sionnach.

Post by Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory
Which is exactly what he did.

INDEEDY. That's HOWE COME you deny it.

Post by Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory
The actual quote is misleading

That so?

Post by Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory
when taken out of context,

We'd been talkin abHOWET beatin the dog with a shoe...

Post by Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory
and Jerry's faked "quote"

The WON sinofabitch totally DENIES.

Post by Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory
is downright meaningless.

Only if you're a MENTAL CASE.

Here's Jerry's version
"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My
Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder,
Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My
Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into
Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And
Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofabitch.
Here's yours;
"I dropped the leash, threw my
right arm over the Lab's shoulder,
grabbed her opposite foot with my
left hand, rolled her on her side,
leaned on her, said "GRRRR!" and
nipped her ear.
--Sara Sionnach

"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"

See?

LIKE THIS:

"BethF" <***@NOT-SO-bad-dawgs-in-ak.com>
wrote in message news:***@corp.supernews.com...

Kyle, FWIW, i thought it was pretty funny,
and i often call my little dog the turd, because
he is one. Some folks think its HORRRIBLE i
would insult my dog like that so i guess its just a
matter of personality.

Kyle, the best way to teach him to stay away is to
step on him once. Seriously.

"Whatever Motivates The Dog, But I Daresay Most
Of The Dogs I Have In Classes Just Aren't That
Interested In Praise."

"BethF" <***@alaska.com> wrote in message news:***@corp.supernews.com...
Maybe that's what we should do - hold back the dobie
girl so that Izzy can put Simon in his place.

From: sionnach (***@email.msn.com)
Subject: Re: Correct use of prong collar
Date: 2001-05-05 13:03:14 PST

Post by Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory
Who said that? I would never do or recommend
that, and neither would most of the regulars
on here.
Sally Hennessey

I've posted my entire quote, since Patch failed
to do so. Take it out of context and you'd think
I was flinging puppies across the room!
here's what I said (keep in mind that we're
A small scruff shake is appropriate if he's very persistant.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Um, may I suggest a re-wording that might make
it clearer- given that "scruff shake" is too easily
misinterpreted as "pick the puppy up by the scruff
of the neck and shake the puppy in the air"?

I think I'd phrase it something like "if the puppy
is very persistant, it can be appropriate to take
hold of the loose skin at the back of the neck and
give a slight shake to the *skin*".

Janet's not talking about actually shaking
the puppy, which I think we ALL agree is
abusive."

----------------------

On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:44:14 -0500, Janet B
Since you quoted me repeatedly, where does it say
I beat dogs, choke dogs, scream at dogs, etc? Thanks
for your clarification.

responding to my own post, I had to go back and look
at the original post, to remind myself what "we" are all
accused of doing:

"screaming, choking,
shocking, pinching, beating
the living crap out of your dogs"

Scream? no
Choke? no
Shock? e-collars are a lot more sophisticated than that
Pinch? if you want to classify a momentary discomfort
by a prong collar, go ahead, but unless you have first
hand experience with one, your opinion means nothing

Beat the living crap out of? hardly - no hitting exists

Janet.

lying frosty dahl writes:
"Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a
helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less
tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking
them more sharply.
With your hand on the collar and ear, say, 'fetch.'

Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the
stick. Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to
the dummy.

Repeat, varying how hard you hit the dog,

Now you are ready to progress to what most
people think of as force-fetching: the ear pinch.

Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so urgent
that resisting your will fades in importance.

but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their
efforts to escaping the ear pinch

You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell
instead of your thumb;

even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that

Say "fetch" while pressing the dummy
against its lips and pinching its ear.

if the dog still does not open its mouth,
get out the shotshell.

Try pinching the ear between the metal casing
and the collar, even the buckle on the collar.

Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in"

--------------------

"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.

"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack
Wouldn't Have Done It If He Thought Solo Couldn't
Take It. I Still Crate Him Because Otherwise I Fear
He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.

captain arthur haggerty SEZ: "A CHIN CHUCK" Makes A
ResoundingSound Distraction: "When You Chuck The Dog
The Sound Will Travel Up The Mandible To The Ears And
Give A Popping Sound To The Dog."

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.

"Reliable Punishment Cycles, Different Thresholds To Pain
And Punishment, High Tolerance For Correction, Escalation
Of Correction To A Level Where The Dog Yelps When You
Punish Him, Thus Making The Experience One Which The
Dog Will Want To Avoid In The Future," grant teeboon, RAAF.

What does the "choke" in the "choke chain" stand for, then?
Lucy

I'm still asking for 5 original posts from people here at least
5 years to support your initial contention (NOT HURTING
DOGS TO TRAIN THEM).

I'm just wondering why you had to use choke chains to
"train"your dogs especially as they are so small.

"I'm going to feed my dog."
That's ABSURD!

ALL commercial dog food is GARBAGE.

"Should I pet my dog?"
That's ABSURD!

Petting your dog while IT is THINKIN interrupts their thoughts.

Keep it up, AssHowey...you keep digging your own grave...

Care to HEELP, mikey?:

Give us The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin InsanelySimply
Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, Pussy,
Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey
Wizard's criminal case history of child molestation which
you sez you got, mikey?

HOWE COME you won't you post The Sincerely Incredibly
Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy,
Birdy And Horsey Wizard's CRIMINAL COURTS RECORD
like you sez you got from PUBIC RECORDS, mikey?:

Subject: Re: New Puppy in house with older dog [jerry]
<***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:***@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...

The ONLY child abuser is YOU - fondling children. I will say
you have some balls calling others child abusers when that is
EXACTLY what YOU do.

Go check your court records, imbecile.

They are easily found, as I did.

Only costs a few bucks to get...child molester...

--------------

From: Bob Maida (***@aol.com)
Subject: Re: Need Advice About Jumping (ninnyboy)

Date: 2001-02-16 12:00:41 PST
Laura,

Better off to totally ignore him. Don't give him the attention
and conflict he craves.His mother was a prostitute and had no
time for him. Father?? --Unknown. They say he was part
of a migrant worker gang bang in the Fla orchids.

He is under house arrest (this is why no one has ever met him)
for molesting children at Disney World. Someone here needs
to find out the name of his probation officer and report his
online harassing

Bob Maida
Dog Training/Problem Counseling since 1969
Herndon, Virginia
Adopt/Foster one until there are none

--------------------

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004

"Stealing Dogs, Gang Banging Whores" - By haggerty / maida

HOWEDY People,

Here's HOWER good captain's dog training
school graduate booby maida, when he called
The Puppy Wizard to beg HIM not to criticize
his training advice.

The Puppy Wizard advised captain haggerty's
student / associate that HE would NOT criticize
his postings so long as booby's INFORMATION
was IMPECCABLE and above reproach:

-------------------------------

This "Red Ribbon Webring" site is owned by: CAPTAIN HAGGERTY

captain arthur haggerty SEZ: "A CHIN CHUCK" Makes A
ResoundingSound Distraction: "When You Chuck The Dog
The Sound Will Travel Up The Mandible To The Ears And
Give A Popping Sound To The Dog."

-------------------------------

AFFILIATES/Links:
International Association of Canine Professionals (IACP)
Bob Maida Presidential Dog Training

-----------------

From: ***@haggertydog.com (***@haggertydog.com)

Subject: Re: Experiences/Info on Collie-Wolf Mixes?
They won't respond to FORCE and ABUSE, no matter
HOWE ''FAIR'' you THINK you are being...

Date: 2000/03/25

I just got on this list for the first time
less than five minutes ago.

NOW I KNOW why I have heard about Jerry Howe!

He is that ASS that has his head there too but NO ONE
in Orlando - NOT TRAINERS NOR DOG OWNERS NOR VETS have
heard of him !!!

He can speak of his experience with hybrids because
it is limited to NONE!

I can say that because NO ONE has ever heard of him.

Can't seem to find ANYONE in ORLANDO who knows him.

Unlike Jerry, I research before I speak falsely, like he has
spoken of Bob. Not only is he an ass but he can't spell - it
is BOB not Boob - that is what old people would call Jerry.

Spent a week with Bob, he trains with lots of positive
reinforcement and seems that everyone I talk to in
Northern Virginia, including the Reagans (Nancy and
Ron) are really happy with him.

Can't say the same for Jerry -
NO ONE in ORLANDO knows him!!!!!!!!!!!!

Babette Haggerty

captain arthur haggerty SEZ: "A CHIN CHUCK" Makes A
ResoundingSound Distraction: "When You Chuck The Dog
The Sound Will Travel Up The Mandible To The Ears And
Give A Popping Sound To The Dog."

=========================

Seems babette FORGOT:

From: Suopie (***@aol.com)
Subject: Re: Venting my anger

Date: 1997/08/15

The best thing to do is call the local Animal Care and Control.

<snip>

Babette Haggerty
Dog Trainer
North Palm Beach, FL

From: ***@haggertydog.com (***@haggertydog.com)
Subject: Re: Creating A New and Moderated Newsgroup???
Date: 2000/03/25

Oh Come on Bob,

I just got on this list and this guy is hysterical!

He is funny as hell!

What a raving loon!!

Look at the time that he is on the list. The middle of
the day for hours and hours - this is busy season for
dog trianing in Florida - OBVIOUSLY he doesn't have
any dogs to train.

Bbaette Haggerty

Hello boob,

Post by Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory
Wolf Hybrids do not make good pets for the average person.

Says who? An "average trainer?"
That figures.
Wolves don't respond to "average" training.
Dogs don't respond well to "average" training
EITHER, that's why the shelters are overflowing.
And THAT'S why I'M HERE...

Post by Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory
They are high maintenance behavior wise, not always
reliably stable (temperament wise) and still can be a
problem no matter how good a handler or trainer you are.

That is EXACTLY OPPOSITE of my EXPERIENCE and
observations...But that would be consistent with what we'd
expect from an "average" "trainer."

Post by Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory
My advice is stick with Collies or if you like a wolf look,
get a Malamute.

Why? You think it's easier to MANHANDLE a mal
than a wolf hybred? It isn't.

Post by Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory
Malamutes also require a good dominant (but fair)
handler, but are easier to manage than a Hybrid
(wolfxdomestic dog)

That's why YOU can't deal with the hybred. They won't
respond to FORCE and ABUSE, no matter HOWE ''FAIR''
you THINK you are being...

Post by Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory
Keep the Wolf where it belongs--wild and free.

A lot of people enjoy the cross breed, and there is
NO REASON not to have one. I've trained many
and owned one myself...

Post by Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory
Man has enough problems with canine familirus.
No need to muck it up further by tossing wolf blood in.

No boob. YOU have enough problems with dogs.
Competent trainers do NOT.
There is NO NEED to choke and force and punish dogs
to behave. Your problem is simply that YOU don't KNOW
enough about dog training to do anything other than to
CONFRONT and REPRESS dog's innate, normal, natural,
instinctive behaviors.
That is what CAUSES other, more serious behavior problems
as REPLACEMENT behaviors. That's why you have to
constantly correct and punish dogs for the first two years of
their lives, till you've PUNISHED AWAY all of the undesirable
behaviors out of the dog...they just keep shuffling around as
you punish one, another comes up.

Post by Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory
Yours for responsible pet ownership,
Bob Maida
Dog Training/Problem Counseling since 1969
Herndon, Virginia

I've got NEWS for you, boob. Choking and punishing
dogs is NOT TRAINING.

Post by Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory
Don't feed the trolls, malcontents and troublemakers.
Killfile/Filter their posts out or ignore them.

Don't worry about the trolls, worry about the quality of
INFORMATION you put up here...

===========================

From: Bob631 (***@aol.com)
Subject: Re: Abuse?
Date: 1996/07/13

Tonight Hurricane (explitive) Bertha is blowing through
our neighborhood with rain and wind gusts to 25 miles
per hour or more and the dog is outside yelping to get in!
What is it with these (explitive) people? How can I see
to it that the dog be taken away from them and given
to a good home?

Have someone steal the dog out of the yard and place
it out of state.

Don't get caught.

Bob Maida

From: Bob631 (***@aol.com)
Subject: Re: Abuse?
Date: 1996/07/15

In all the time I have been on the rec.pet groups I am shocked
at your suggestion! You have encouraged someone to break the
law by "stealing" this animal and that's WRONG advice!

Some of you have never heard of a trainer/breeder or
fancier suggesting stealing a dog, however, you have
never heard me speak to my clients.

I have a handful (small Handful) of times suggested to
people to steal a dog that had been obviously abused
and mistreated.

About four years ago I considered stealing a dog that
Animal Care and Control would do nothing about and
the dog was obviously mistreated and neglected.

I stupidly listened to someone who said that I shouldn't
steal the dog.

======================

So much for HOWER good captain haggerty's graduate
student / affiliate's ETHICS...

Seems stealin ain't really in booby's NATURE cause
he's a COWARD, a DOG ABUSER, and a LIAR.

He's not even honest enough to steal when he feels
it's JUSTIFIED... to save the life of an innocent victim.

Where does booby get such assinine ideas from?:

"I FIRMLY STAND BEHIND BOB'S ADVICE "STEAL
THE DOG, DON'T GET CAUGHT".

YOU WILL SLEEP BETTER.

Sincerely,
Babette Haggerty (guest user ***@aol.com)
P.S. None of the dogs I have right now are hot.
West Palm Beach, FL

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captain arthur haggerty SEZ: "A CHIN CHUCK" Makes A
ResoundingSound Distraction: "When You Chuck The Dog
The Sound Will Travel Up The Mandible To The Ears And
Give A Popping Sound To The Dog."

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

No, mikey. Kan't you even SPELL?

It goes LIKE THIS:

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

SEE?

IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >

u***@yahoo.com

2008-08-26 03:38:12 UTC

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Ya know what, AssBoy...stick to doing what you do best: replying to
yourself. No one reads your bullshit anyways. Well, except me,
because your ignorance is so damn funny. Go back and look at who
responds to you. No one...except me...because I find you such an easy
target to make fun of. EVERYONE else ignores you.

Why is that? Because they are EMBARRASSED? HAHA. No. But that's
what you want to think.

Go ahead to continue to insert "XXX" or "HOWE" or "CON" everywhere you
can, it just makes you look more like a perverted moron. PLEASE keep
doing it! OK? OH - also - PLEASE keep posting my book comments.
THANK YOU!

Where is the Sheriff's office knocking on my door? What is the hold
up?!? We are ready for the legal battle (since you are too feeble to
do a real man-to-man battle). Let's get it going !!!

Please, though, do everyone a BIG favor? Remove your hideous pic from
your website. Will you at LEAST do that? THAT would help so many
people...

Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory

2008-08-26 17:46:47 UTC

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HOWEDY mikey aka pat aka unsurreality aka trollbasher
aka BLACK VOMIT, you anonymHOWES pathetic miserable
stinkin rotten lyin animal murderin child an spHOWES abusin
punk thug coward active acute chronic life-long incurable
malignant maliciHOWES mental case and professional dog
trainin FRAUD an SCAM ARTIST,

Post by u***@yahoo.com
Ya know what,

Yeah, mikey. You mean 'ya know what, The Sincerely Incredibly
Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy,
Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey
Wizard', mikey <{}: ~ ) >

Post by u***@yahoo.com
AssBoy...

The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic
Grand Master Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And
Horsey Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits'
End Training Method Manual Forums And Human And Animal
Behavior Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory are FAMILY
news groups, mikey.
You mean teachin folks all ovcr the WHOWEL WILD WORLD
HOWE to pupperly raise, handle an train ALL critters NEARLY
INSTANTLY and FOR FREE, to boot, simply by DOIN EVERY
THING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE you
an your MENTAL CASE PALS PREFER, mikey?

Post by u***@yahoo.com
replying to yourself.

The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing,
Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat,
Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard DON'T
EXXXPECT nodoGdameneD REPLIES to HIS informative
posts, mikey.

OtherWIZE that'd mean HE didn't fully EXXXPLAIN
the INFORMATION to them an HE should maybe find
a new line of WORK, wouldn't you agree, mikey?

Post by u***@yahoo.com
No one reads your bullshit anyways.

You mean 'noWON can DEFEND themselves,' don't you, mikey <{}: ~ ) >

Post by u***@yahoo.com
Well, except me,

Yeah, but you're a pathetic anonymHOWES lyin dog an
child an spHOWES abusin punk thug coward active acute
chronic life-long incurable malignant maliciHOWES MENTAL
CASE.

REMEMBER, mikey?

Post by u***@yahoo.com
because your ignorance is so damn funny.

You MURDERED your own DEAD DOG for stress induced
auto-immune hemolytic anemia DIS-EASE, a.k.a. The Puppy
Wizard's Syndrome <{}: ~ ( >

REMEMBER, mikey?

Post by u***@yahoo.com
Go back and look at who responds to you.

The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing,
Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat,
Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard DON'T
EXXXPECT nodoGdameneD REPLIES to HIS informative
posts, mikey, EXXXCEPT from anonymHOWES lyin animal
murderin child an spHOWES abusin punk thug coward active
acute chronic life-long incurable malignant maliciHOWES
MENTAL CASES <{}: ~ ( >

REMEMBER, mikey??

Post by u***@yahoo.com
No one...except me...because

You mean 'noWON... EXXXCEPT me... on accHOWENTA'
you're a pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin animal murderin
child an spHOWES abusin COWARD an MENTAL CASE.

REMEMBER, mikey?

And THAT'S HOWE COME you won't allHOWE your son
to read The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy,
Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Training Method Manual Forums And
Human And Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences Research
Laboratory Forums.

REMEMBER, mikey?

And THAT'S HOWE COME he SNEAKS
online to read it, mikey <{}: ~ ) >

Post by u***@yahoo.com
I find you such an easy target to make fun of.

Is THAT HOWE COME you THREATEN to BEAT HIM UP, mikey?

Post by u***@yahoo.com
EVERYONE else ignores you.

No, mikey. You'll notice your MENTAL CASE PALS have
all but givin up postin to the rest of my forums, hadn't you,
mikey?

This is their FINAL EXXXTINCTION BURST.

Post by u***@yahoo.com
Why is that?

Oh, THAT'S EZ, mikey; on accHOWENTA each of your
pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin animal murderin punk
thug coward mental case pals got DEATHLY ILL an DEAD
dogs for all of their EFFORT jerkin an chokin an shockin an
sprayin aversives into their faces an LYIN abHOWET IT.

LIKE THIS, mikey:

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is
A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth, author:
"CourteHOWES Canine."

"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?

When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time,
spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk
away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just
ignore him and continue your normal behavior."
--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"CourteHOWES Canines"

THAT'S CRUEL AND INSANE BEHAVIOR, mikey <{}: ~ ( >

AIN'T IT, mikey <{}'; ~ ) >

AND THAT'S HOWE COME
YOU MURDERERD YOUR OWN DOG.

Post by u***@yahoo.com
Because they are EMBARRASSED?

You mean, LIKE THIS, mikey?:

tommy wrote:
From: ***@i1.net (Dogman) Date: 1997/11/11
Subject: Re: Koehler's Usefulness--A Concluding Assessment

This, from a yellow-bellied coward who has TOTALLY refused
to engage me in debate, preferring mudslinging, hyperbole, distortion,
lies, exaggeration, and to take Koehler completely out of context,
instead.

What lying hypocrites these hand-wringers are!

The most consistent argument among Koehler's defenders is based
on a questionable assumption that such "drastic" measures are
effective in "extreme" cases where other methods fail.

------------------------

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

HOWE COME would a EXXXPERT such as tommy set their
INFORMATIVE posts to EXXXPIRE in six days like matty
a.k.a. Rocky, diddler, elegy, meat terri a.k.a. dogsnuts, professora
melanie chang, marquis de "READ KOEHLER FOR CONTENT"
shaw and not so handsome not so gentle jackass, not even jack
morrison a.k.a. joe finnochiarrio a.k.a. BIG DADDY a.k.a.
DOGMAN??

Ooops~! That last anonymHOWES coward is tommy.

Is tommy EMBARRASSED by his own words, the lyin animal
murderin punk thug coward mental case fraud an SCAM ARTIST?

matty aka Rocky EXXXPLAINS HOWE COME:

"Rocky" <***@rocky-dog.com> wrote
For reasons I'll only explain privately, I've gone no
archive, and it's a shame. Once in a while, while
looking for something else, I'll run into an old post
of mine.

What an idiotic response!

Whoops.

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Post by u***@yahoo.com
HAHA.

INDEEDY~!

Post by u***@yahoo.com
No. But that's what you want to think.

EVERY THING The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing,
Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat,
Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard SEZ is QUOTED
from The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing,
Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret,
Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End
Training Method Manual Forums And Human And Animal Behavior
Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory ARCHIVES, mikey <{}: ~ ) >

LIKE THIS:

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is
A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth, author:
"CourteHOWES Canine."

"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?

When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time,
spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk
away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just
ignore him and continue your normal behavior."
--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"CourteHOWES Canines"

THAT'S CRUEL AND INSANE BEHAVIOR, mikey <{}: ~ ( >

AIN'T IT, mikey <{}'; ~ ) >

SEE??

Post by u***@yahoo.com
Go ahead to continue to insert "XXX" or "HOWE" or "CON"
everywhere you can, it just makes you look more like a perverted
moron. PLEASE keep doing it! OK? OH - also - PLEASE keep
posting my book comments.

Would you THEN RE-CONsider takin The Sincerely Incredibly
Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy,
Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES,
And Horsey Wizard for a romantic weekend at YeeHaw Junction, mikey?

Post by u***@yahoo.com
THANK YOU!

THANK YOU, mikey.

HOWEver, DON'T FORGET:

1. YOU MUST wear a flamin red tu tu over your black Tae
Kwon Doo Doo INSTRUCTOR uniform trHOWESERS
and a pink thong underneath.

2. YOU MUST wear bubble gum flavored lip gloss

3. YOU MUST wear light blue eye shadow with
a VERY THIN line of black eye liner.

4. YOU MUST wear a blue feather boa to match your eye
shadow.

5. YOU MUST wear faerie wings and carry a faerie wand.

6. You MUST wear a leather Harley Davidson cap and
gold lamay ballet slippers.

7. YOU MUST wear a princess crown on top of your black
leather Harley Davidson cap with jewels to match your
eye shadow.

8. YOU MUST SHAVE your entire body EXXXCEPT your legs.

9. YOU MUST wear a zippered face mask and hood with
standard ball gag. If you don't have WON, NO PROBLEMO.
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing
Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat,
Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard got WON
for you <{): - ) >

10. YOU MUST paint your arse red. If you can't find your arse,
*(I seen THAT comin in my crystal ball) NO PROBLEMO,
mikey, The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
Amazing Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy,
Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard will
do it for you.

11. YOU MUST sing "The Girl From Ipanema" while swishing your
butt. If you don't know all the words you can just squeal like a
pig to the tune while The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely
Simply Amazing Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, Pussy,
Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard
paints your arse red for you, mikey <{}: ~ ) >

Post by u***@yahoo.com
Where is the Sheriff's office knocking on my door?

The Sherriff WORKS FOR The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin
Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy,
Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES,
And Horsey Wizard, mikey <{}'; ~ ) >

Post by u***@yahoo.com
What is the hold up?!?

PERHAPS you didn't SCARE The Sincerely Incredibly
Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand Master
Puppy, Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey,
SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard enough to make HIM want
to ask his PAL the Sherriff to arrest you for threats and stalkin?

Post by u***@yahoo.com
We are ready for the legal battle (since you are too feeble to
do a real man-to-man battle). Let's get it going !!!

You're SCARIN The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely
Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Puppy,
Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES,
And Horsey Wizard with all your talk abHOWET BEATIN
HIM UP for bein FEEBLE an not knowin HOWE to pupperly
HURT and INTIMIDATE innocent defenseless dumb critters,
mikey <{}: ~ ( >

Post by u***@yahoo.com
Please, though, do everyone a BIG favor?

For SHORE, mikey~!

Post by u***@yahoo.com
Remove your hideous pic from your website.

Yeah. You're RIGHT, mikey. Them pics ARE intimidatin.

LIKE THIS:

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is
A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth, author:
"CourteHOWES Canine."

"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?

When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time,
spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk
away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just
ignore him and continue your normal behavior."
--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"CourteHOWES Canines"

THAT'S CRUEL AND INSANE BEHAVIOR, mikey <{}: ~ ( >

AIN'T IT, mikey <{}'; ~ ) >

Post by u***@yahoo.com
Will you at LEAST do that?

For SHORE, mikey~!

Post by u***@yahoo.com
THAT would help so many people...

You think that'd heelp *you* STOP HURTIN
INTIMIDATIN an MURDERIN innocent
defenseless dumb critters an LYIN abHOWET
it, mikey?

You think THEN maybe you'll allHOWE your son to read
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing,
Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat,
Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Training Method Manual Forums
And Human And Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences Research
Laboratory ARCHIVES, mikey <{}: ~ ) >

u***@yahoo.com

2008-08-27 00:54:42 UTC

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Post by Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory
1. YOU MUST wear a flamin red tu tu over your black Tae
Kwon Doo Doo INSTRUCTOR uniform trHOWESERS
and a pink thong underneath.
2. YOU MUST wear bubble gum flavored lip gloss
3. YOU MUST wear light blue eye shadow with
a VERY THIN line of black eye liner.
4. YOU MUST wear a blue feather boa to match your eye
shadow.
5. YOU MUST wear faerie wings and carry a faerie wand.
6. You MUST wear a leather Harley Davidson cap and
gold lamay ballet slippers.
7. YOU MUST wear a princess crown on top of your black
leather Harley Davidson cap with jewels to match your
eye shadow.
8. YOU MUST SHAVE your entire body EXXXCEPT your legs.
9. YOU MUST wear a zippered face mask and hood with
standard ball gag. If you don't have WON, NO PROBLEMO.
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing
Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat,
Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard got WON
for you <{): - ) >
10. YOU MUST paint your arse red. If you can't find your arse,
*(I seen THAT comin in my crystal ball) NO PROBLEMO,
mikey, The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
Amazing Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy,
Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard will
do
...

Ok. I agree to all of that, and I'll still look better than your
feeble ugly ass. BWAAAAHAHAH!

I will. If you meet me at Yeehaw J., I'll do it all. It will be
quite humiliating for you, however, getting the shit kicked out of you
by someone looking like that. But if that is what you want, I'm game.

What day and time? I'm free the weekend after next. How about around
3PM at the exit where the turnpike is? Does that work for you?